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”I Understand Why People Kill" Ben Whishaw ☆ The Telegraph Magazine‘I knew nothing about it,’ says Whishaw when we meet in a hotel next to Liverpool Street Station. ‘It was all a surprise. But I suppose I was drawn to the story on a human level, the strangeness of the situation these men found themselves in, and the kind of obsessive nature of their relationship with one another.’ ‘Norman was raised a good Catholic boy,’ says Whishaw, explaining his character’s conflicted feelings about his sexuality and his sense that he had been somehow corrupted by Thorpe. ‘And if you were brought up in a religious home, homosexuality was sinful. I can understand why he did what he did.’ ‘To try and hide something is just a torture,’ says Whishaw, who even with a slicked-back quiff and rugged beard radiates a winning gentleness of character. ‘You just want to speak frankly and honestly, it’s much easier.’ ‘It’s not hard for me to imagine what it was like in the 1960s, how you had to repress everything and bury it. And then things get twisted out of shape and you start behaving very strangely.’ ‘Norman went to him. Jeremy didn’t go to Norman. Norman went and sought out Jeremy, and apparently had already – this is not in the film but is in the book – been telling people in the village he was living in that he’d had a relationship with Jeremy Thorpe. So there was a fantasy about Jeremy Thorpe that had bloomed in his mind before anything had happened.’ Photos: ⒸFrederike Helwig Whishaw says that the #MeToo movement was just beginning as they were filming, but although the echoes of those power dynamics are evident in the film, the actor says it was not an issue that they discussed. ‘My feeling was that in many ways these two people entered into this relationship quite equally and knowingly. And I think they somehow met their match in each other. I didn’t view Norman as a victim of this older man. I felt like he knew what he was doing.’ As a young actor, Whishaw says he never experienced sexual harassment, although, he adds, ‘I know other people who have – mainly women. But until [the post- Weinstein revolt] happened, there was a sense that this is just the way the world goes, this is the nature of things. There was a huge fury, but a kind of shrug of the shoulders. And now it’s become this revolution, which is brilliant in many ways.’ ***** Another aspect of A Very English Scandal, implicit rather than laboured, is the role of class. There is a social divide between Thorpe and Scott, but it’s one that their sexuality cuts across. ‘It’s definitely something that was there,’ agrees Whishaw, ‘and something that Norman was aware of.’ He says that he’s encountered the same social divisions in the theatre. ‘But I’m a bit like Norman. I think he has invented a persona for himself that means he can be quite fluid in class terms.I would say I sort of feel the same. In the theatre you meet people from every background. You have a choice of whether you want to view everything through the lens of class and I choose not to. It’s not the first thing I think about with people.’ ***** To say that Whishaw has never looked back since Hamlet would be more than usually true. ‘At the end of the evening on stage, at the end of the shoot, it’s gone. I never think about it ever again. It’s all wiped,’ he says. He claims to remember very little of the performances he’s given. That can’t be said of his many admirers. Whether it’s playing the boffin Q in James Bond films, John Keats in Bright Star or the intrepid Freddie in the TV series The Hour, Whishaw always quietly leaves his imprint on a part. His next acting job, he says, is playing Uriah Heep in Armando Iannucci’s film version of David Copperfield. He’s thrilled by the prospect, not least because he loved Iannucci’s Death of Stalin. Given that he is so adept at placing himself within a wide range of characters, I wondered if he felt that his sexuality helped him to get under the skin of Scott. ‘I’ve thought about this a lot. When I really reflect on it, I don’t think it does. What I suppose I mean is that just because a character is gay and I am gay, doesn’t mean that there’s going to be automatically a greater connection than with a character that was straight or whatever else. Acting for me is not autobiography.’ Nor is it impersonation, but he says he did meet Scott at a lunch arranged by Frears and ‘got a feeling of him’. As he is plays Scott as a younger man, Whishaw was not worried about the dangers of mimicry after coming face to face with his subject. In the film, the character of Bessell describes Scott as one of the bravest men in England. What was Whishaw’s impression? ‘I think he’s someone who’s really free,’ he says, knitting his eyebrows in thought. ‘He’s living his life the way he wants to live it. He’s flirty and sort of funny and quite biting about people, but attractive, youthful. He didn’t seem like a 70-something-year-old.’ Scott now lives in an old farmhouse on Dartmoor with eight dogs. He has a long-term male partner, an artist, who is resentful of how Scott was disbelieved and hounded. Scott told Whishaw that he felt his life had been blighted by Thorpe, and believes that the Establishment conspired to protect one of its own. Whishaw and Frears asked him if he was ever in love with Thorpe. ‘He said no, he’d never had any feelings. But I think he is – and I would say this to his face – I think he’s the kind of person who on one day might say one thing and on another day might give you another kind of story, depending on how he’s feeling and what’s going on.’ So not an entirely reliable narrator. But then Scott’s life has not been an easy one. He went on to have two children and an ex-wife who committed suicide. Sir Joseph Cantley cast aspersions on the prosecution witnesses and commended Thorpe’s unblemished career and character. He described Scott in his summing up as, ‘A hysterical, warped personality, accomplished sponger and very skilful at exciting and exploiting sympathy… He is a crook. He is a fraud. He is a sponger. He is a whiner. He is a parasite.’ It remains Whishaw’s firm belief that no one should ever be forced to divulge their sexuality. ‘People talk like you owe it to the cause, which I don’t think anyone does. It’s not anyone’s business. And it’s no one’s place to judge anyone else on how they deal with it.’ But all the same, he can see why Scott wanted to ‘out’ Thorpe. And what’s more he can also see, and believes the film shows, ‘why someone might be driven to kill, insane as that sounds’. More than anything, Whishaw sees the story as a judgment on the period rather than the people. At its heart, he suggests, was a love that, in another age, might have flourished. ‘Because of when they lived, all that energy that might have gone into the relationship went into destroying each other. I see it as a love that was warped by the pressures of the time.’ That may be a romantic reading of two incompatibly difficult people – one highly ambitious, the other highly strung – but it probably also points to an abiding truth. After you’ve got through all the shock and scandal and mad behaviour, what’s left is two men who were locked in a corrosive embrace for almost two decades.
by uraracat
| 2018-05-05 19:25
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